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scoop
which is worth for upgrading my 405 sri 2.0 auto? 406 v6 engine or mi16 engine????
Jer309GTi
All depends on how much you want to spend and how easy it is to get hold of the bits in Egypt. If you can afford it, then go for V6 cool.gif, I know I would if I was able to. Mi16 is obviously the most straight forward and cheapest option however
Borntobewild
If you can afford it, V6 deffinitly!
Package can be bought bij Ecosse

http://www.ecosse-peugeot.co.uk/show_product.asp?id=1084

I want one biggrin.gif

Or V8
WELSHPUG
in reality a decent Mi16 engine will cost far more than the sum of parts required to install a V6 engine, but obviously not the time, which if you're doing it yourself wouldn't be much of a concern anyway.

complete V6 packages can be picked up for less than £500.
scoop
QUOTE (Borntobewild @ Apr 10 2008, 12:59 PM)
If you can afford it, V6 deffinitly!
Package can be bought bij Ecosse

http://www.ecosse-peugeot.co.uk/show_product.asp?id=1084

I want one biggrin.gif

Or V8
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ecosse are tooo expensive, in egypt the complete v6 engine transplanted ready for run in my 405 costs around £700
Borntobewild
QUOTE (scoop @ Apr 10 2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (Borntobewild @ Apr 10 2008, 12:59 PM)
If you can afford it, V6 deffinitly!
Package can be bought bij Ecosse

http://www.ecosse-peugeot.co.uk/show_product.asp?id=1084

I want one biggrin.gif

Or V8
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ecosse are tooo expensive, in egypt the complete v6 engine transplanted ready for run in my 405 costs around £700
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No way blink.gif

*packing his stuf to move to Egypt
WELSHPUG
QUOTE (Borntobewild @ Apr 11 2008, 08:44 AM)
No way blink.gif
*packing his stuf to move to Egypt
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no need to go that far! look in the right places in the uk you can get complete V6 406's for less than that.
KRISKARRERA
Any 306 GTI6s or Xsara VTSs out there? Just another option. I'd love a V6 in a 405 but it's a pain to do cambelt and plugs isn't it?
XU10
EW12J4 (2.2 16v) ???
badboyracer3500
QUOTE (KRISKARRERA @ Apr 11 2008, 09:43 PM)
Any 306 GTI6s or Xsara VTSs out there? Just another option. I'd love a V6 in a 405 but it's a pain to do cambelt and plugs isn't it?
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Can't be any harder than a v6 in a 306 blink.gif
My daughter just sold xsi kit to a lad thats got xsi with 406 v6 lump init.
Borntobewild
QUOTE (WELSHPUG @ Apr 11 2008, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE (Borntobewild @ Apr 11 2008, 08:44 AM)
No way blink.gif
*packing his stuf to move to Egypt
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no need to go that far! look in the right places in the uk you can get complete V6 406's for less than that.
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Wel in the netherlands prices run up to 3000-4000
scoop
is it ok for the 406 v6 engine upgrading on a 405 koni suspension?? and could the v6 a/c work on the 405?? i also see that there is a difference in engine mounts between the 406 engine mounts and the 405 engine mounts so how could that be fixed?? and is it safe?? if there are any helpful pics to demonstrate plz add so?? is it required to add a strut brace after upgrading??
cybernck
i'd recommend coilovers, so you could adjust height of the front end.

you'd have to check if the a/c systems are the same (earlier Peugeots used R12 and later R134a)
and i guess you'd have to get custom piping done, but you should be able to get it working.

check http://www.205v6.com to see what sort of work would be involved in mounting the engine.

hope this helps.
scoop
QUOTE (cybernck @ Apr 17 2008, 06:42 PM)
i'd recommend coilovers, so you could adjust height of the front end.

you'd have to check if the a/c systems are the same (earlier Peugeots used R12 and later R134a)
and i guess you'd have to get custom piping done, but you should be able to get it working.

check http://www.205v6.com to see what sort of work would be involved in mounting the engine.

hope this helps.
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thanks alot ur help made a big difference with me cuz things seems to be clear now and my a/c uses r134a smile.gif
scoop
which is faster in acceleration?? a 405 v6 or 405 t16??
KRISKARRERA
In theory I'd say the V6 might just very slighty be quicker because a 405 T16 is 1350kgs and a phase 1 405 be 1110kgs and even with V6 might still not break 1200kgs.
Also I know Autocar got the 406 V6 Coupe to 60mph in 7.4 seconds and that's at least the same weight as a 405 T16. But then the T16 has the benefit of 4wd. And it's easier to do cambelt. laugh.gif
I want a T16 in a 2wd 405 so I can have a RHD T16.
stuartm
Yeah would be nice to make a RHD T16. Was at ecosse for a while last week having a look about, and the guy was saying they are still taking 6.5k for the engine as part of a conversion :|
scoop
QUOTE (KRISKARRERA @ Apr 18 2008, 07:50 PM)
In theory I'd say the V6 might just very slighty be quicker because a 405 T16 is 1350kgs and a phase 1 405 be 1110kgs and even with V6 might still not break 1200kgs.
Also I know Autocar got the 406 V6 Coupe to 60mph in 7.4 seconds and that's at least the same weight as a 405 T16. But then the T16 has the benefit of 4wd. And it's easier to do cambelt. laugh.gif
I want a T16 in a 2wd 405 so I can have a RHD T16.
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check this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TGoAGAyyfg&feature=related) acceleration of a 406 coupe 0-100 km in just 5 seconds, how could it be 7.4 seconds??
scoop
which year model is for the 406 v6 that produces 210 bhp????
gingerscotsman
Anything after 2001 (or a D9 model in 406 terms) will have the 210 bhp engine. They look different so its easy to tell.
KRISKARRERA
QUOTE (scoop @ Apr 18 2008, 08:30 PM)
QUOTE (KRISKARRERA @ Apr 18 2008, 07:50 PM)
In theory I'd say the V6 might just very slighty be quicker because a 405 T16 is 1350kgs and a phase 1 405 be 1110kgs and even with V6 might still not break 1200kgs.
Also I know Autocar got the 406 V6 Coupe to 60mph in 7.4 seconds and that's at least the same weight as a 405 T16. But then the T16 has the benefit of 4wd. And it's easier to do cambelt. laugh.gif
I want a T16 in a 2wd 405 so I can have a RHD T16.
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check this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TGoAGAyyfg&feature=related) acceleration of a 406 coupe 0-100 km in just 5 seconds, how could it be 7.4 seconds??
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If it's accurate it can't be a standard engine.
scoop
hi, first of all i would like to thank u for ur help
i am searching to buy 406 v6 the 210 bhp manual engine to transplant it in my 405 so i need to know where to buy a full 406 v6 kit that would be needed for my 405, i live in egypt and i am willing to import the engine so plzz tell me which country,place area market that sell car accidents front halfs of 406 coupes
cybernck
scoop, stop posting new thread for every V6-related question! rolleyes.gif

thanks.
scoop
QUOTE (cybernck @ Apr 21 2008, 02:09 AM)
scoop, stop posting new thread for every V6-related question! rolleyes.gif

thanks.
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o sorry
scoop
QUOTE (scoop @ Apr 21 2008, 03:48 AM)
QUOTE (cybernck @ Apr 21 2008, 02:09 AM)
scoop, stop posting new thread for every V6-related question! rolleyes.gif

thanks.
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o sorry
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hi,
i am searching to buy 406 v6 the 210 bhp manual engine to transplant it in my 405 so i need to know where to buy a full 406 v6 kit that would be needed for my 405, i live in egypt and i am willing to import the engine so plzz tell me which country,place area market that sell car accidents front halfs of 406 coupes
cybernck
haven't you said they're very cheap in Egypt?

in that case, it would cost you much much more to import one from the UK.
scoop
QUOTE (cybernck @ Apr 23 2008, 11:30 AM)
haven't you said they're very cheap in Egypt?

in that case, it would cost you much much more to import one from the UK.
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the available ones here are the 194 bhp and i want the 210 bhp engine, by the way can u tell me the code of the 210bhp engine and tell me plz any other places other than the uk that sell these engines or tell me the places in the uk that sell with reasonable prices, importing is not a problem
KRISKARRERA
I believe the wiring is easier on the earlier engine.
Jer309GTi
Am I right in saying the later engine has variable valve timing and the earlier one doesn't? Or am I getting my wires crossed somewhere? biggrin.gif
KRISKARRERA
Got a feeling you're correct.
Where's Miles when you need him laugh.gif
WELSHPUG
spot on there, one thing to bear in mind, most later engines are in multiplexed cars, so the original ecu will throw a hissy fit if you try to install it into a 405 without the whole wiring for the car including the instrument panel.

so you'll need aftermarket management to make it work.
gingerscotsman
Here are some engine details that may help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_ES_engine#ES9
scoop
hii all, how long would it take to transplant completly a v6 210 bhp into my 405 sri??
WELSHPUG
really depends how good you are with the spanners, welder angle grinder, AND the soldering iron.

dont forget that the 210 bhp engine was only in later cars, which tended to be multiplex wiring so not compatible with use in a 405, you would have to use aftermarket management to run it.
scoop
QUOTE (WELSHPUG @ May 25 2008, 12:53 AM)
really depends how good you are with the spanners, welder angle grinder, AND the soldering iron.

dont forget that the 210 bhp engine was only in later cars, which tended to be multiplex wiring so not compatible with use in a 405, you would have to use aftermarket management to run it.
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hii, what if i bought a front half cut of a peugeot 210 bhp v6 will it solve my problem about the wirings?
James504
QUOTE (scoop @ May 25 2008, 07:04 AM)
QUOTE (WELSHPUG @ May 25 2008, 12:53 AM)
really depends how good you are with the spanners, welder angle grinder, AND the soldering iron.

dont forget that the 210 bhp engine was only in later cars, which tended to be multiplex wiring so not compatible with use in a 405, you would have to use aftermarket management to run it.
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hii, what if i bought a front half cut of a peugeot 210 bhp v6 will it solve my problem about the wirings?
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No, Its a multi-plexed system. You would need the Engine ecu, psf1, bsi, dash cluster, brake switch, ignition barrerl and key, com unit, abs unit. Then you would have to find a way to fit it in a 405 and make all of it work, Even as a Peugeot technician with acess to the right equipment, wiring diagrams and a PPS. I still wouldn't be confident i could get the network to run in a 405.
scoop
i dont think its right to convert my sri 2.0 8v to v6 cuz it will cost alot and so much time, and i dont know if i convert my engine to mi16, or tuning my sri scince no body is giving good or sufficient infos all i need is 200 bhp what shall i do?? if mi16 which mi16 1.9 which gives 160 bhp the 2 row or 3 row?/
petert
I'd buy an XU10J4R, change both the cams, GTi6 inlet manifold and fit an after market ECU. That must be close to your 200hp, cheap and easy.

There were both 2 and 3 row versions of the D6C 160hp 1.9L engine.
scoop
QUOTE (petert @ May 29 2008, 12:49 PM)
I'd buy an XU10J4R, change both the cams, GTi6 inlet manifold and fit an after market ECU. That must be close to your 200hp, cheap and easy.

There were both 2 and 3 row versions of the D6C 160hp 1.9L engine.
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actually gti parts arent available in egypt, but i need an answer for my idea,, my engine is the 405 sri xu10j2c 123 bhp 8v, there is another sri engine the 406 one with turbo giving 150bhp and its code is xu10j2te, could i take the 406 turbo kit with its fueling system and exhaust manifold and inlet manifold and upgrade them to my 405 sri, also could the compression ratio be adjusted??
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