JeffR
Feb 24 2010, 04:16 AM
QUOTE (cammmy @ Feb 24 2010, 12:05 PM)

The pace kit is 2.5k So not for quite some time.
You already got Peters wares in your sump? He has my gear atm adding a windage tray and extending the pickup. Got a baffled XU10 sump too.
I've got all PeterT's bottom end goodies-baffled sump/windage tray on spacer, XU10 spec oil pump, etc, plus my own extended pick-up.
I'm also going to try external drains from the head back into the sump.
This idea has been spoken about on the 205drivers forum & I've contacted all those who were 'gonna' do it, but it seems no-one has 'actually' tried it (or at least, reported back on the findings), so it looks like I'll be the crash test dummy!
Brett
Feb 25 2010, 06:49 AM
QUOTE (cammmy @ Feb 24 2010, 11:35 AM)

The pace kit is 2.5k So not for quite some time.
Last quote I got (April last year) was 866 pounds + freight with 15% off for order of 5 or more.
So around AUD1500+freight or less, but I'm in no rush. Happy to look at alternatives.
It will be dry sumped before it goes back on the track, but it will take a year or so before I get that far.
Just got the dashboard out getting it ready for a cage. Doing about 2 hours a month on the car.
cammmy
Feb 26 2010, 04:37 AM
QUOTE (JeffR @ Feb 24 2010, 04:16 PM)

XU10 spec oil pump,
did you need to get the XU10 crank spacer to fit the sprocket on? I've ordered all the other bits but from what I can gather I don't need that spacer.
"So around AUD1500+freight or less, but I'm in no rush. Happy to look at alternatives."
I'm just getting all Peter's gear and the XU10 gear atm so won't be replacing with a dry sump for quite some time. Have heaps of other things to do first as well such as a cage.
I just don't think i'll be fast enough to need a dry sump for quite some time anyhow.
Still keen for fibre bits though if the price is right. I have access to a guy in NZ who does fibre stuff for a living. Was planning to have him eventually do a one piece front end anyhow.
JeffR
Feb 26 2010, 05:08 AM
QUOTE (cammmy @ Feb 26 2010, 02:37 PM)

QUOTE (JeffR @ Feb 24 2010, 04:16 PM)

XU10 spec oil pump,
did you need to get the XU10 crank spacer to fit the sprocket on? I've ordered all the other bits but from what I can gather I don't need that spacer.
"So around AUD1500+freight or less, but I'm in no rush. Happy to look at alternatives."
I'm just getting all Peter's gear and the XU10 gear atm so won't be replacing with a dry sump for quite some time. Have heaps of other things to do first as well such as a cage.
I just don't think i'll be fast enough to need a dry sump for quite some time anyhow.
Still keen for fibre bits though if the price is right. I have access to a guy in NZ who does fibre stuff for a living. Was planning to have him eventually do a one piece front end anyhow.
I've got the XU10 oil pump spring fitted to the 1.9 litre pump, 26 tooth crank sprocket & longer chain. That was all that were needed.
Also not looking to dry sump yet until I can evaluate what effect the external drain(s) have.
AlexN
Feb 27 2010, 07:44 PM
I spoke to the guy today and he will give me a quote for each item (bonnet, boot lid, wings, rear wing and front splitter) when he gets to have a look at each of them. The costs will obviously drop the more of each item are ordered. For the wings, rear wing and splitter I will be willing to split the cost of having the mould made as it is in my interests to have it made in case I break or damage any of these items.
When the parts arrive at Colins I will make arrangements to get him to come and have a look at them all. Hopefully this should be in a week or so. I will also make sure he knows that some of you want the bonnets to have the ability to use the original hinges. This may or may not affect the cost, but I am sure that it will be possible.
By the way, he is also able to make any of these items in carbon fibre if anyone is interested! I might get quotes for both fibreglass and carbon just to see what the difference is.
B1ack_Mi16
Feb 28 2010, 10:44 AM
One thing that psring to my mind.. how good will these bonnets take the heat?
I'm not sure if you've studied many T16'n over the time Alex? I can report that all the 3 T16's I've looked at have a bulge/large dent in the bonnet.
This is due to extreme heat from the turbo area and the normal metal bonnets actually expands and shrinks quite a bit and end up beeing dented after some time..
Just something to keep in mind.
AlexN
Feb 28 2010, 10:51 AM
QUOTE (B1ack_Mi16 @ Feb 28 2010, 09:44 AM)

One thing that psring to my mind.. how good will these bonnets take the heat?
I'm not sure if you've studied many T16'n over the time Alex? I can report that all the 3 T16's I've looked at have a bulge/large dent in the bonnet.
This is due to extreme heat from the turbo area and the normal metal bonnets actually expands and shrinks quite a bit and end up beeing dented after some time..
Just something to keep in mind.
I probably will have some sort of air scoop in the bonnet to get additional airflow into the engine bay. I am also going to reposition the turbo into a better location, and with no battery etc around it the airflow around the turbo will be much much better. It might be worth considering carbon fibre for the bonnet though because of the heat... or just replace the bonnet every year or so if the heat affects it very badly. I will go for fibreglass to start with and see how it goes.
cammmy
Feb 28 2010, 08:41 PM
The difference with carbon fibre should only really be material cost, shouldn't be hard for him to estimate the difference.
If you are planning on proper competition I would watch out with adding vents. Not sure about the rules there but over here all rearward facing vents must be baffled.
I imagine you would want vents as opposed to scoops if you are trying to lower the under bonnet temp?
AlexN
Nov 8 2010, 02:23 PM
OK, I know that this thread has died a death recently, but I am now in the process of getting quotes for the following items in fibreglass:
bonnet
boot lid
super touring front splitter
super touring rear spolier
rolled front wings
I should be able to give you all prices by the end of the week, the guy is going to have a look at the parts I have and put together some quotes. Anyone who is interested please let me know again as the guy who is going to do the work would want deposits up front. This chap has done work for Colin in the past and he by all accounts very good, so the finished products should be the business.
I am going to have a bonnet and boot lid made, but I would be willing to contribute to the cost of moulds for the other parts as it would be in my best interests to have them available to me in the future as well.
pony
Nov 8 2010, 10:22 PM
I'm a definate yes for front bumper
also interested in arches depending on cost
JeffR
Nov 10 2010, 11:59 AM
Not a good time for me having just paid out for the cage & seat, but if Cammmy or Brett, or anyone else in Aust/NZ are still interested, I'm in. Would still need to be certain of the rear bonnet fixings as well as its construction. AlexN were you going to use AGMotorsport to make everything?
I see the Nova & Corsa ones here-
http://www.agmotorsport.co.uk/index.php?cP...6049ee1bfc5fe63still use the inner frame. Great for strength, but too heavy IMO.
Anyway, good to see its gonna happen soon. Can you also get some weights of all the parts as well as the prices?
Cheers
AlexN
Nov 10 2010, 02:53 PM
No, the original poster in this thread was going to use that company, but I am going to use a guy that is local to Colin and he has used before (and never had any issues with quality of work etc).
As for the bonnet, another guy wants to use the orignal hinges and bonnet catch so if have asked for a price with these and for just a plain bonnet to be held on with pins. I would guess the ones with hinge mounts etc will be a bit more. Also the bonnets will be made of just glass fibre (possibly with some strengthening ribs) but not using the oringal frame, as you say this is far too heavy.
Will also ask for estimated weights of the parts (the front spiltter will be easy, just weight the original!).
rodionski
Nov 10 2010, 03:59 PM
Alex, also interested in these as a prospective buy.
cammmy
Nov 10 2010, 09:22 PM
I'm interested but again, depends on cost and shipping.
Brett
Nov 15 2010, 03:34 AM
QUOTE (cammmy @ Nov 11 2010, 06:52 AM)

I'm interested but again, depends on cost and shipping.
Ditto
Brett
mandic
Nov 15 2010, 06:45 AM
Count me in...
AlexN
Nov 22 2010, 02:37 PM
Will hopefully have an update later this week with prices etc. Keep watching this space!
mandic
Nov 30 2010, 11:32 AM
Any news Alex?
AlexN
Dec 4 2010, 12:13 AM
No news yet

I am going to chase this up over the weekend and report back.
AlexN
Feb 22 2011, 10:05 PM
Right, time to revive this thread again! Hopefully this time I will get somewhere.
I have given up on the last guy as he is fu@k@&g useless! I can't believe that someone trying to run a business out of fibreglass panels is so crap at getting in touch with people, especially someone that was putting potentially a big order on a plate for him! Still rant over.....
Now I have contacted the original company that was mooted as possibly being interested in making them AGMotorsport. They are based in Yorkshire, I would be willing to get a bonnet, boot lid and anything else to them that they needed. What I will need (so will they) are confirmed interest and I am guessing as a minimum a deposit.
The panels potentially available are:
Bonnet
Boot lid
Front splitter
Rear wing
Which of these are people interested in? If you can add you name to the list with the panels you are interested in once I get prices I can get the ball rolling. I really want to get this sorted asap so I will do everything that I can to make this happen quickly.
AlexN - bonnet and boot lid
mandic
Feb 23 2011, 01:44 PM
AlexN - bonnet and boot lid
Mandic - Bonnet
rodionski
Feb 24 2011, 09:02 AM
It would be quite useful to know the prices..
Also, you are aware that Ph1 and Ph2 bonnets are different, right?
Assuming that we are about Ph1 items - I'd be interested in the whole package. What about the wide front wings?
mi8 turbo
Feb 27 2011, 01:54 AM
QUOTE (rodionski @ Feb 24 2011, 10:02 AM)

It would be quite useful to know the prices..
Also, you are aware that Ph1 and Ph2 bonnets are different, right?
Assuming that we are about Ph1 items - I'd be interested in the whole package. What about the wide front wings?
i didnt know. what are the differences if you dont mind me askin
JeffR
Feb 27 2011, 02:32 AM
Can't find the pic I had, but Ph 1 & 2 rear wings are different too.
Found one-
James504
Feb 27 2011, 05:11 AM
QUOTE (JeffR @ Feb 27 2011, 11:02 AM)

Can't find the pic I had, but Ph 1 & 2 rear wings are different too.
Found one-
The second spoiler was an option. It's the same as the T16 item.
mandic
Mar 1 2011, 09:11 AM
Ph2 bonnet for me...
JeffR
Mar 1 2011, 11:41 AM
I'd be interested in some of the items-
Bonnet
Boot lid
Rear wing
Anyone else prepared to share the freight costs to Aust?
Some of the issues raised in earlier posts need clearing up. Can you ask about bonnet & boot hinge attachment & anything needed for internal strengthening for mounting the rear wing please?
Cheers
mi8 turbo
Mar 13 2011, 04:26 AM
is there any prices to go with these items yet? also what about doors is there any other intrest apart from me? and is there going to be both options for the rear wings?
James504
Mar 13 2011, 12:54 PM
FWIW. I have a S13 silvia with a copied BN blister wide body kit. Its made from fiberglass. All of the pieces (front bumper, wings, sideskirts, rear wings, rear bumper) are heavier than their original metal/plastic panels.
mi8 turbo
Mar 13 2011, 02:11 PM
i can imagine this is so due to the wide aspect of the kit. we are just copying the original parts. ive seem those blister kits and they are quite chucky.
James504
Mar 13 2011, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (mi8 turbo @ Mar 13 2011, 11:41 PM)

i can imagine this is so due to the wide aspect of the kit. we are just copying the original parts. ive seem those blister kits and they are quite chucky.
I think you will regret it. Fiberglass is the biggest PITA. I can imagine a bonnet with all the flexing, GL getting paint to stay on it. I actually have dumped the Copied blister kit (it was heartbreaking to pull all the hard work off) but I replaced with with the genuine BN blister

. After time (1 year) from driving around, the paint had started to crack in lots of places due to the flex/stone chips, and it just looks sh*t even painted. CF is the only way to go in terms of weight saving and tbh I think its worth the extra cost.
DRTDVL
Mar 14 2011, 03:33 AM
Kevlar not CF for body panels...
James504
Mar 14 2011, 11:13 AM
QUOTE (James504 @ Mar 14 2011, 12:11 AM)

CF is the only way to go in terms of weight saving and tbh I think its worth the extra cost.
QUOTE (DRTDVL @ Mar 14 2011, 12:03 PM)

Kevlar not CF for body panels...
Derp
rodionski
Mar 14 2011, 11:20 AM
Weight saving - disagree.
What you imply is that fiberglass parts will weigh the same as steel parts.
What this means is that fiberglass parts will be made with excessive amount of epoxy, making them heavy.
Therefore, if the same technology is used with kevlar or CF - the results will be +/- similar, unless the technology uses vacuum to suck out excessive epoxy and heat to properly cure the parts.
I don't think that the guys there will have the proper oven to bake the CF in order to get the real CF parts. And if CF parts are made without the autoclave oven - there's not much sense to make them using CF in the first place, imho.
mi8 turbo
Mar 14 2011, 09:15 PM
theres a local carbon manufacturors on my industrial estate with all the know how n tools the price for a bonnet alone is £500 plus n thats if 20 people are intrested if its just a 1off you are talking £1500. these will not warp or discolour under extreme heat, ie relocated turbo at battery tray.
rodionski
Mar 14 2011, 09:18 PM
The critical thing with CF is the baking process under pressure - that's where the CF becomes the real deal. Otherwise it is almost the same as a black colored fiberglass))))))
mi8 turbo
Mar 15 2011, 12:30 AM
yepi know all about this as the company deals with propa motor sport companys and has a direct link to f1
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