my brother told me that some of the 205 gti boys are removing there anti roll bars to clear various manifolds or turbos or something and using heavier springs up front?
in regards to using a gti6 manifold on a 405 this would be a fix?
i know anti roll bars are very purposeful but id just like to hear peoples thoughs on this?
thanks
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Tried it on my 205 and i hated it. The turn in suffers badly and the car feels really wollowy (ok that might not be a real word) Yeah you can counteract it with stiffer springs but the ride quality suffers as a result.
yeah i think it is a word! 
cheers swordfish, was hoping for an answer off someone with expierience!
when you say "you can counteract it with stiffer springs but the ride quality suffers as a result." do you mean its a fix aslong as i can put up with the stiffness?
i've heard and in expierience found that a 205 should be set very hard on the back suspension and soft-medium on the front, would this aply to the 405 aswell due to it being torsion bar rear sus?
years ago i had a dturbo 405 which i fitted koni shocks and 60mm lowering springs to the front and standard hieght and dampers on the rear and it handled pretty well tbh!!
??
cheers swordfish, was hoping for an answer off someone with expierience!
when you say "you can counteract it with stiffer springs but the ride quality suffers as a result." do you mean its a fix aslong as i can put up with the stiffness?
i've heard and in expierience found that a 205 should be set very hard on the back suspension and soft-medium on the front, would this aply to the 405 aswell due to it being torsion bar rear sus?
years ago i had a dturbo 405 which i fitted koni shocks and 60mm lowering springs to the front and standard hieght and dampers on the rear and it handled pretty well tbh!!
??
Hmmm lets try and answer them one at a time 
When i said "you can counteract it with stiffer springs but the ride quality suffers as a result." what i meant was.... Removing the anti roll bar obviously induced more roll in the car and the theory is that what it is solving is the inside wheel lift under hard cornering. If the front wheels are no longer connected then as the outside wheel dips in to the body under cornering then the inside wheel will not want to follow suit because it is not being pulled up by the ARB. However by removing the ARB to solve this you are allowing a much more severe amount of weight transfer towards the outside of the car during cornering, so this is taking weight off the inside wheel and reducing grip anyway.
Now if you do remove the ARB you will need to stiffen the springs up to counteract this body roll. So on a car as heavy as the 405 removing the ARB, which is fairly thick, will need something in the region of 400-500 pound springs and some stiff dampers to control them, to get it somewhere back to where it was in terms of body roll, which is obviously going to affect the ride quality on the road quite badly, not to mention the wet handling.
And lets not forget that the arb only works when cornering so you effectivly have a 2 springs working all the time and one spring that only works when it's needed instead of 2 springs trying to do 3 springs job and working all the time.
As for the 205's i presonally like it hard at the front and just slightly softer at the back. It's all down to presonal preferance.
Hope this all helps.
When i said "you can counteract it with stiffer springs but the ride quality suffers as a result." what i meant was.... Removing the anti roll bar obviously induced more roll in the car and the theory is that what it is solving is the inside wheel lift under hard cornering. If the front wheels are no longer connected then as the outside wheel dips in to the body under cornering then the inside wheel will not want to follow suit because it is not being pulled up by the ARB. However by removing the ARB to solve this you are allowing a much more severe amount of weight transfer towards the outside of the car during cornering, so this is taking weight off the inside wheel and reducing grip anyway.Now if you do remove the ARB you will need to stiffen the springs up to counteract this body roll. So on a car as heavy as the 405 removing the ARB, which is fairly thick, will need something in the region of 400-500 pound springs and some stiff dampers to control them, to get it somewhere back to where it was in terms of body roll, which is obviously going to affect the ride quality on the road quite badly, not to mention the wet handling.
And lets not forget that the arb only works when cornering so you effectivly have a 2 springs working all the time and one spring that only works when it's needed instead of 2 springs trying to do 3 springs job and working all the time.
As for the 205's i presonally like it hard at the front and just slightly softer at the back. It's all down to presonal preferance.
Hope this all helps.
it does help very much! thankyou for your time!
QUOTE (pony @ Apr 26 2009, 11:47 AM) 
it does help very much! thankyou for your time!
Yeah sorry i rambled on a bit, i just got going and i couldnt stop
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