PLEASE HELP.
i've got the chance of a 4bie but need to know of anything that needs carefull inspection before going ahead with this deal on this saturday.

its a straight swap, my '94 for his h reg 4bie and a 2nd complete 4bie drive train.
it was a runner up untill he parked it where it is now.
the only fault i know of is brakes failed on last journey.
thanks Gavin.

things to check on a 4bie are:
vicky can add more stuff as shes had here 4bie for a few yrs.

check rear raises and lowers properly
check to see if transfer box leaks oil as the seals are weak and known for leaking.
check speedo works as parts for the speedo cable are hard to find(although you cant check that until you get to drive the car).


doesnt sound like a fair swap to me? your MOTTED running 405(i take it its the 1 that you were in at the meet sunday?) for a non running 405 4bie with knackered brakes?

thanks. but like i said sunday, i hated that car , it drives nothin like my ph1.
i've had my ph1 for 6-7yrs and have no thoughts of ever sellin it but on the other hand i would have let the ph2 go on that sunday without a 2nd thought or regret.

i know you prob thinkin that this ph1 wont drive the same but i've got to consider giving it a go,or be stuck with a car i really hate, which wont be good for it as i will abuse it and use it to relieve my anger. this usually means a thrashing.
Gavin.

I would still try it on a bit and tell the owner of the Mi16x4 that your car is newer and more desirable or some such sh*t and tell him you'll do part exchange.

[QUOTE][quote=KRISKARRERA,Nov 16 2006, 03:03 AM]
I would still try it on a bit and tell the owner of the Mi16x4 that your car is newer and more desirable or some such sh*t and tell him you'll do part exchange.

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sorry, he knows his mi's, as hes a breaker he knows the ph1 is more desirable and i was lucky he threw in the 2nd complete drive train. not only that, the 4bie has only 112000mls and my ph2 has nearly 127000mls.
Gavin.

Do you know whats wrong with the brakes on the 4bie? Can't imagine that it would cost much to fix even if the ABS is shagged. Being an H reg it should have the Bosch ABS rather than the Bendix rubbish shouldn't it?

From what you were saying on Sunday it sounded like you want shot of your ph2 ASAP

From what you were saying on Sunday it sounded like you want shot of your ph2 ASAP


yes afraid so. i've never been so disappointed with a car in all the yrs i've been drivin. even my 1st 405, which was an h reg 1.6gr was more fun than my ph2 mi. yes the mi has more power but theres just no grin factor. when out in the ph2 you dont get a second glance but with the ph1 everyone gives you a second look. i've even been flagged down, flashed from behind to pull over as people want to know if its the real thing. even when pulled by the old bill one day he kept me there for a while askin me all about it. is it the real thing?, is it the powerful one? its nice to see one still on the road as they are gettin rearer, and thats just the police.
WHY!!!!!!!! what happens to that sort of interest when out in the ph2???????
Gavin.

My 1st car was a 405 1.6 GL, though someone had fitted a 405 SRI interior and a 205 sunroof, and then I put 205 GTI alloys on and rebadged her as "SR" lol. Good first car though, over 115 out of it.
The original 405 brochures have the 1.9 Mi16 as 0-60 in 8.2 secs and the 2 litre Mi16 as 0-60 in 9.8 secs but there's no way the difference is that big. Not sure why the ph1 would get alot more attention than the ph2 because they look almost the same apart from the rear panel but I do notice mine gets some attention.

lol 0-60 9.8 for 2lt mi16!! no way.

i cant see whay you dont like the phase 2 405 compared to the phase 1.

the only difference i can see is the 1.9 you get huge kick at 4000rpm when the engine takes off, where as the 2lt you dont get such a kick as the power is bit more spread out

both handle the same.

i can have plenty of fun in my 2lt mi16. and theres not much in it in speed difference as kris found out on sunday.

Incidentally Autocar got the 306 S16 to 60 in 8.1 secs and the 405 S16 is only 20kgs heavier so I reckon pug's figure of 9.8 was intentionally bad seeing as the 90's had that insurance hike following the disasters of the 80s' 17 years old killing themselves in Xr3i etc.

don't forget that gearing plays a major role and iirc 405 mi16 will need 2 gearchanges to reach 60 mph.

it's such an irrelevant spec anyway, they should have used 1/4 mile or something else for comparing cars.

Well yes but the 1.9, 2.0 Mi16 / S16 all share the same gear ratios.
Actually if "0-60" didn't exist and it was 0-58 the Mi would be even more impressive on paper.

my 1.6gr used to see xr3is off.
ph1 mi's had deeper side mouldings and different bumpers to other spec 405s so they stood out from other 405s, but when the ph2 was launched some mid range 405s had same deep mouldings and bumpers so there for dont really stand out.
Gavin.

well in the continental europe it's 0-100km/h, which is 0-62mph, so the specs can differ a lot from the UK specs.

well thats it, deal done, bye bye red 94l, hello grey 90h.
rear suspension worked fine and the best news is it started 1st turn of the key
one more mi saved from the breakers and engine from 205gtis
now time for project 4bie to begin.
Gavin.

Good one!

Just hope the clutch isn't going on it, i'm half way through doing mine, i can't believe how retarded the designers were!!!!

why??
what have they done?
to be honest it wouldn't suprise me what ever it is.
Gavin.

Pics please!

There is nothing that is straight forward to fix on a 4bie, but it sure is fun to try! I have owned mine for just over a year but in that time it has only been on the road about 4 months! They can require a bit of perseverence and patience but they are totally worth the effort! I don't regret buying mine for a moment. Just be prepared to do the work yourself as the cost of getting someone else to fix it is astronomical (peugeot want £2500 to do a clutch apparently!).

Also make sure you put some good tyres on it, since i put goodyear gs-d3's all round it drives like a different car, limitless grip, its fantastic!

Pics please!



will do as soon i get a chance.
just sourcing bits off ebay at moment.
Gavin.

peugeot are wankers. i've had several runnins with my local dealer. i will only use them as a last resort for parts. even then they balls up. they dont know what offset
is, hadn't heard of throttle position sensor, balls'd up my daughters car. which i fixed in the end. they are suposed to know about pugs, not there customers having to tell them what to do.
their only saving grace is the lady on parts is a wiz with the com and sorts my requests quickly, as the referance to ballsing up parts above is down to the bloke that works with her. spent 1/2hr with him one saturday trying to find parts on com and when she came back it took her 2mins.
as for the mechanics i worked out what they charge for fitting disks and pads against there hourly rate and i can actually change them quicker, which is a joke as i can only do one corner at a time from scratch. they jack whole car and do all at once.
Gavin.

If it wasn't so late I'd tell you the story about when they ballsed up my cambelt change.

The 1st and only time I had my car serviced by Pug (thought I'd treat it) it came bag running like a bag of shite, half a tank of fuel missing and 80 miles on the clock.

And they denied it even existed when I took it in!

The 1st and only time I had my car serviced by Pug (thought I'd treat it) it came bag running like a bag of shite, half a tank of fuel missing and 80 miles on the clock.

And they denied it even existed when I took it in!
"They never made a 4x4"

"sooo, what's that big red thing outside then?"

[quote=Rippthrough,Nov 20 2006, 06:29 PM]
The 1st and only time I had my car serviced by Pug (thought I'd treat it) it came bag running like a bag of shite, half a tank of fuel missing and 80 miles on the clock.

And they denied it even existed when I took it in!
"They never made a 4x4"

"sooo, what's that big red thing outside then?"



i find that hilarious.
seems to me all peugeot garages employ dickheads then.
perhaps they should sack all there staff an employ mi16 owners.

lol!! Nice work, saving another 4bie!

They must be getting so rare, and it looks like it's getting worse! The one i just got is just too far gone to be economical to put back on the road unfortunatley, so will be broken and the parts used to keep my good one and others on the road!!

Keep us updated mate, where are these pics??

time for update:-
finally got car to my works and to actually drive it, yes brakes non existing, rear bumper need replacing, front bumper hanging off on n/s, scratched down n/s swage line, boot lid don't shut, boot lid scratched, o/s rear 1/4 scratched and dented, o/s rear door dented, mouse nest in boot and glove box.

tomorrow will take photos and start work on it, weather permitting, as we are due rain tomorrow.

but on a good point, this wont stop me putting it back on the road.
i've also just aquired........wait for it........a trackstar kit and........wait for it....... a 0 miles brand new alloy block engine for my black 92j . so no more having to do rebuild, soon she will be back on the road with new heart and body to match.
Gavin.

Cool! Did you get that engine off of Hiflowheads?

no local to me.
where are they based?
it actually comes with uprated head gasket and baffelled sump .
Gavin.

The weak point in Mi16x4s is the transfer case.

In addition to leaking oil as the gaskets and seals age, there are two shafts in the box which run one inside the other. The drive is transmitted between the two shafts by internal and external splines. The splines are not lubricated by the oil in the box but are greased (perhaps) on assembly. The grease breaks down with age, the splines wear to the point that they no longer mesh, and hey presto no drive!!!

The shafts are rare and expensive parts but the spines can be repaired/rebuilt if you can find the right person.

Anytime from 80k miles upwards seems to be the life expectancy.

I had mine apart at 110k miles to fix the oil leaks, there was significant wear on the splines so I had them rebuilt.

As alluded above this is a time consuming job therefore expensive if you are
paying someone to do it.

But don't let that put you off an otherwise magnificant car!!!

eek thats enough to put me off ever buying one

[quote=Tony,Nov 25 2006, 10:31 AM]
The weak point in Mi16x4s is the transfer case.






but like i said in an earlier post, i got with the car a spare gearbox,props,transfer box and diff.
Gavin.

Every performance car has got their downsides. No car is perfect. It just happens that the Mi16x4 has a weak transfer box

True, just a shame that the way to maintain one is more cost effective to buy a whole donor car to keep one running!! lol Therefore spare running gear etc, or, very costly refurbs!

well it's not THAT weak though... and they ought to fail less frequent than on T16's too.

dont you think it would be boring if everything in life was perfect.
there would be nothing to do, nothing to work for.

if these cars were perfect everybody would want one and then you lose the interest. a bit like a ford fiesta, thousands made and on the road, who gives them a second glance? no one. they're just another boring little car.

Shame you cant put a small reservoir of oil for them to run in, not to familer on the 4x4 setup i saw a glx 4x4 in a breakers near me and had a gnder at that, are the system idnetical, i would have thought so?

no ..cant explain the technicalities to you but the mi system is more advanced i have an original sales brouchure explaining the system , i will scan it and post it up later

hope you can make out the small writing from the brochure

Thanks for posting that, a very interesting read

thought i posted both pages?? will post next page in a min

you have already posted both pages HERE, hence why i deleted the 2nd post... and now the third one too .

aahh sorry i didnt see it there !!

I SEE GOOD STUUF, N1 FOR POSTING THE INFO

I have replaced the seals on my 4bie but the box itself isnt at all what people say about it being the achilles heel of a 4bie...ive had mine over 6 years and still on original transfer box....only reason i changed the seals was because i had a full engine rebuild.....unless you are constantly screaming the tits of it everytime u pull away it will last for years!!